Legal Question in Insurance Law in California

my son hit a car while on his bicycle and was found at fault by the Highway Patrol a few weeks before his 18th birthday. the drivers insurance company sent a bill for the damage. my auto insurance does not cover this incident. what am I or my son legally obligated to do. he is 18 now and the insurance company wants a response in ten days or they say they will report to the dmv to take my and my son's licsenses.


Asked on 7/10/13, 5:37 pm

1 Answer from Attorneys

Gerry Goldsholle Advocate Law Group P.C.

The best advice I can give is to speak with a lawyer and go over the exact facts and circumstances and get some real professional advice on which you can rely. But as you know that and prefer to get general information for free (rather than actionable legal advice) It seems to me that here the insurance company's adjuster or collection arm is seeking to coerce you into making a payment by making improper threats that it knows are false and deceptive.

By saying that please understand that I am NOT saying that your son may not have some responsibility for the damage he caused, or that, depending on the facts (such as if he was running an errand for you) you too may not have some responsibility as well. What I am saying is that you are dealing with a bully that is trying to scare you into paying, and you do not have to be pushed around although it may make sense to try to resolve this on your own in the amounts are very small, or hire a local attorney to help you negotiate a settlement as I am sure that after attorneys fees the cost will be far below what the insurance company is now demanding. (By the way, this is NOT something I can or world help you with outside of a forum like this or www.FreeAdvice.com.) So here is what I would say as general information -- this is NOT legal advice and I am NOT your attorney.

First and most important, start now to keep a copy of all written and all email correspondence in a separate file, and you and your son should make very careful notes of each and every phone call you have with them going forward -- who called whom, when (date and hour), what did you say and what did they say, and then date the note. And, as your memory today is far better than it will be in 6 weeks or 6 months from now, try to reconstruct each prior conversation in the same manner and write it down.

Second, call up the DMV in Sacramento and find someone knowledge who can tell you if YOU can lose your license if you do not pay for an accident your minor son got int to while on his own non-motorized bike. Then find out if HE can lose his license.

Third, although your auto insurance normally would not cover damage your minor son caused while writing an ordinary (non-motorized) bike, the liability portion of your homeowners or renters coverage and/or umbrella policy may well possibly cover it. Read your homeowners policy and then report the matter to your homeowners or renters insurance company.

Let's assume for the moment that you have no homeowners or renters or umbrella coverage, so its just you against the driver's insurance company.

Although I am certainly not familiar with the full scope of the DMV's authority, it seems to me that it would be outrageous for it to penalize you as the parent of a then minor by taking your license, merely because your minor son was involved in a bike accident and you or he have not paid the insurance company for the damages. But ask them. And ask if he would lose his license as he was only 17 at the time of the accident. (And take names.)

Further, although the Highway Patrol is entitled to great respect, and its officers routinely assign fault for purposes of their own records (and their conclusions are usually correct), and the insurance company may well rely on the Highway Patrol's assessment, only a judge or jury can actually determine fault for purposes of civil liability. In other words, you're not guilty just because the Highway Patrol says you are. (Feel free to call up the Highway Patrol and ask them.)

I strongly doubt there is any law that makes you and your son automatically liable just because the Highway Patrol determined he was at fault. Here the insurance company is standing in for the owner of the other car under what its known as its right of subrogation -- the ability of the insurer to recover from a wrongdoer what it paid out to its policyholder (here the car owner). And it is bullying you. (Back in the days when I was a prosecutor i would have even suggested that it is doing so by engaging in criminal conduct in violation of state and federal law, but it would backfire if you were to say that -- at least yet.)

If you can't work something out with the insurance company and it wants to collect the right way it would have to file a lawsuit at which the insurance company would have to prove your son was at fault and what damages he caused. Then, to the extent you or your son can establish the driver of the car may have been at least partially at fault, any damages your son may otherwise owe legally would be reduced proportionally. If sued, your son can simply deny liability and (so long as he does not lie) claim he did not cause any or all of the damage, the other driver was fully or at least partially at fault, the damages the insurance company is quoting are unreasonable and/or exaggerated. The insurance company has to prove its case. (Although if your son was fully at fault, and the driver was not at all at fault, and your son made statements to that effect it's close to an open and shut case it may not pay to argue about issues of fault.)

It's often very expensive for the insurance company to hire a lawyer (or tie up one of their quasi-in-house lawyers) and sue for a small amount, and they can not recover attorneys fees, although they can recover court costs. The insurance company's insured driver likely does not want to go to court to testify but would have to, and the Highway Patrol certainly has far better things to do with its officers' time than have them go to court in a simple civil suit for an insurance company. And the insurance company may lose in court, especially if the witnesses do not show up. Worse come to worse, let's say they win and get a judgment against your son. if your son has no attachable assets they may not be able to collect anything (although it may hurt his credit for years). Thus they want to settle with you.

Of course, you don't want to have to go to court either. You'd be out of your element, likely would need a lawyer, and thus it's a loser even if you "win". Thus you and they are playing bluff -- but they are VERY experienced and you are not.

The best defense may be a good offense, so you may want to call back the claims guy who told you that you and your son would BOTH lose your drivers licenses if you don't pay in 10 days, and ask him if you understood him correctly. He will confirm it or more likely begin to wiggle. Ask him to send that statement to you in a letter or email. (He won't dare.) Ask him to tell you the basis for that statement. (Remember you will be making VERY CAREFUL NOTES all the time.) Ask him to send copies of all the bills and records substantiating his claim for damages.

There's better than a 90% chance at some point in the conversation s/he'll say "look, if we can just settle this, I'll try to see if I can get the amount reduced, but I'll need to tell my boss... "

Now you're negotiating -- how much damage was really done and how much is it worth to you to get this over and done with? Here a lawyer can help you. And if the fool at the insurance company continues his threats, you may well have a MAJOR claim against him or her, and his insurance company. That's something some lawyers would handle on a contingency basis.

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Answered on 7/10/13, 7:12 pm


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