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hip hop lyrics / threats /

''i was poppin guns while you was still poppin some rubber bands,

i smother your clan,

sever your hands and your legs,

mail your brother your heart and send your mother ya head,''

These lyrics are from the grammy award winning rap group: D-12. You may be aware that rap has a violent past including the murder of several famous rappers, both previously recorded threats OVERTLY directed to each other. These threats are considered ''art'' by many. Why is it if someone records a VERBAL THREAT in the form of a poem set to music it isn't taken as a threat. ecception:Recently rapper Eminem's lyrics regarding his wishes to see president Bush dead, sparked an investigation by the secret service. QUESTION: why have rappers not been arrested for making threats to each other,or even to their listeners? Some songs from the group D-12 are nothing but verse after verse of violent threats aimed at the listener. as you read in the first few lines of this email. I have a phd in media effects from UCLA and i am currious what the legal ramifications are of such songs, sometimes directed at specific individuals. As a listener, you feel they are being made directly to you. Also, these songs could be used as to make third party threats.


Asked on 7/11/04, 2:36 am

2 Answers from Attorneys

Michael Stone Law Offices of Michael B. Stone Toll Free 1-855-USE-MIKE

Re: hip hop lyrics / threats /

Since you are an esteemed scholar in Media Effects, I am sure you are aware that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects recording artists' rights to create works that are avant-garde or even offensive to many people. Thank God artists are not "arrested" for the content of their lyrics, at least not in the U.S, at least not yet. People have the ability to turn off the radio or change the station if they don't like what they are hearing.

A hip-hop listener who comes to believe that the lyrics in some record are "directed" personally to them may well be mentally ill or hallucinating.

If it can be proved that a lyric consitutes a real threat directed toward a specific individual, that person might be able to sue or complain to the authorities. There is a "fighting words" exception to the First Amendment -- but it is very narrowly applied. If your thesis is that rap music contributes to violence, etc. in the community, I do not agree with you. Poverty, unemployment, and drug deals gone bad are far more likely causes.

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Answered on 7/11/04, 9:36 am
Edward Hoffman Law Offices of Edward A. Hoffman

Re: hip hop lyrics / threats /

What makes a statement a threat is not just the combination of words but also the effect they will have on a reasonable person who hears them. If a reasonable person would believe that the speaker is talking about harming him *and* that he is likely to follow through then it is a threat.

A reasonable person listening to a song will not presume that the song is directed at her individually and thus cannot feel threatened by it.

Even lyrics that mention a particular public figure do not amount to a threat unless the public figure would reasonably believe the singer intended to go through with the acts described or that he intended to incite others to do so. Eminem surely did not intend to actually attack President Bush, and it would not have been reasonable for Bush to think that he did. I haven't heard the lyrics in question, but I doubt that the song was intended to incite anyone else to attack him, either. It was surely just an expression of Eminem's personal disdain for the President, and he is entitled to express his views just like anyone else.

While actual threats of illegal acts are not constitutionally protected (threats of legal acts, like filing a lawsuit or staging a boycott, are protected), expressing a point of view is and that is what these lyrics are doing.

The bottom line is that it is legal to say you wish someone would be harmed but it is not legal to try to make it happen or to cause that person to believe someone will try.

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Answered on 7/11/04, 6:24 pm


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